February 13, 2002
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:16:25 EST
To: AztlanNet@yahoogroups.com, Aztlannet@yahoo.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
Have you ever heard of being succinct? When I talk about fanatical preaching I am definitely talking about you:
1. You go on an on as if your view were the only one. You figure that if you can't convince anyone you will just wear them down.
2. You do believe your view is the only one.
3. New Mexico doesn't have the copyright on The Virgen
4. The Virgen needs no defending. No one can truly harm who and what she is to millions.
5. People must have the right to define their own relationship to her.
6. That includes the right to express it differently.
7. Whatever academic analysis you have made of the work is prejudiced by self righteous indignation.
Subject: AztlanNet: Re: Myth and anti-myth
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:30:10 -0000
From: "mvsedano" <email@example.com>
Pedro, you got it aurally correct but ANTE-myth,
Thank you, your analysis hits the spot, too bad your misperception leads you astray. (Clean out your earhole, brother!)
Wow, I never saw that. How, by mixing the stonework into Lupita's garment, the artist offers so subtle and sly a verbal trick.
"Behold!" proclaims the artist, "the substance of what goes before, the antemyth."
Ante, meaning before, and a duality in femininity. Not the anti- the one or the other. Ante-myth. I never saw that before.
Pedro, that is some brilliant shit. Thank you.
Subject: AztlanNet: Responses to Dedeno
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:05:31 -0800
From: Octavio Romano <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Organization: TQS Publications
CC: email@example.comDon Pedro:
I hope you have seen my post about Southern
California Chicano prisoners in San Quentin.
The working rule is: "You are either for us or you are against us, either by act or region or neighborhood." The ganga rules.
Curtain: End of scene One.
I am convinced that Alma's Guad Loop was nothing short of conscious agitprop. Many other people are so convinced.
You have said that the responses to your questions and comments were a transparent smokescreen.
These comments are true and the responses have been an exercise of dodging.
Curtain: End of scene Two.
To summarize the responses you have received from Southern California citizens, "Sedeno, you are either for us or against us."
Does this remind you of the prisoners at San Quentin?
Does this remind you of one George W. Bush who said to the world: "You are either for us, or against us."
Curtain: End of scene Three
Prediction by Nostraromanus: In the forthcoming elections, GW Bush will receive a surprisingly large vote from the "Hispanic" community. "You are for us or against us will ring an Hispanic bell."
West Coast fake "liberal" Chicanos will seriously consider discarding their platic halos. Alma Lopez will be the first.
Octavio Romano TQS
Subject: Re: AztlanNet: Responses to Dedeno
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:27:09 -0700
From: Alma Lopez <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Octavio Romano wrote:
> Don Pedro:
> I hope you have seen my post about Southern
> California Chicano prisoners in San Quentin.
> The working rule is: "You are either for us or
> you are against us, either by act or region or
> neighborhood." The ganga rules.
Octavio, I don't know about gang/prison relations,
but just enough to know that you are over-simplifying. I can't really speak
to these, but hopefully activists like raulsalinas or others will if they
It's not about California vs New Mexico... that is very small thinking.
It is specifically about Pedro and his insults. Honestly speaking, Pedro's opinion is his opinion, and it has no consequence in my life.
If he wants to spend his time barking, que siga. I gave him a little attention because he seemed like he needed it and I had a little time to give, but I am returning to my own work.
Subject: AztlanNet: Sedano Loves Murals, too,
don't care if Sedeño does, though
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:58:05 -0000
From: "mvsedano" <email@example.com>
Traviesa, Rosamwill, and some others of us (Velez
not, thanx) have typed my surname in messages directed at one _Pedro Romero-Sedeño_.
You may know the expression, "i don't care what you say about me, just print my name right?" Almost ditto, except, I don't care what you say about me, pero, sabes, make it about me.
Yo soy Michael Victor Sedano. Pasadena Califas. I am not enraged in dialog con la Alma. Romero-Sedeño has, in his typically misogynistic manner, affiliated me with Alma because I write in support of Alma's "Our Lady," so clearly, folks, there's not a whit of similarity.
I am disreputable enough on my own and don't need to have Sedeño's intemperate uncontrolled Nuevo Mejiko chaqueta wrapped around my frail, overburdened, long-suffering, meagre, aging, rationally rational, rhetorically motivated, non-ñ, California Chicano Sedano shoulders.
(and you know I mean this, so look for the top chicana valentine poem of all time tomorrow now that you've enjoyed and shared the Yeats with your friends)