July 5, 2001
Subject: [AztlanNet: ARTS|LETTERS] July 4th
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:13:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pedro Romero <email@example.com>
My oldest friend from childhood was born on
the 4th of July too. I got the sad news ayer that his dad died yesterday at
1;20 pm or so, on my carnal's birthday.
His dad, 80, Antonio Medina, died of physical
illness. He was from Guanajuato, Mexico, and the last year of his life lived
in Denver, and he had a big picture of Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe hanging
over his bed, as do so many Mejicanos. Mr. Medina used to go back to Mexico
as often as he could. His son, my friend since 2nd grade, is an attorney in
Denver working in defense of workers' rights. Somehow, for me, it is embarrassing
to explain to him, and so many other Mexicans I encounter, about the useless
journey in Santa Fe called "our Lady" by Alma Lopez, an Ugly American
girlie poster that pseudo-progressive "Chicanos" like Michael Sedano
continue to defend as truth, oblivious to what the traditional Guadalupe means
to millions of the Mexican culture. As Guadalupe-Tonantzin, according to the
Mexica, it is to Her that the souls of men return.
Que Antonio, mi amigo, resucite con Ella.
--- firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
MY FATHER AND OLDER SISTER, BOOTH CELEBRATED THE SAME BIRTHDAY, "EL QUATRO DE JULIO." AS A LITTLE BOY, I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY SO MANY PEOPLE CELEBRATED WITH US
Subject: [AztlanNet: ARTS|LETTERS] Re: Guadalupayasada
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pedro Romero <email@example.com>
--- michael sedano <firstname.lastname@example.org>
perro Romero,Placing the icon of the Lupita onto a cultural pillar is not different from the artist of any stripe using the image in the artist's own secular fashion. response from P.Romero: M. Sedano shows little value for the fact that the Mexican nation placed the Lupita on a cultural "pillar" since 1810 when Padre Hidalgo and his followers took up the traditional Lupita image as the standard to lead the war of independance against Spain. Also did Villa and Zapata in 1910 against the tyranny of Porfirio Diaz, who censored Mexican traditional culture during his reign (re-incarnated as Alma Lopez? if you believe in re-incarnation) Michael Sedano never responds to the issue of respect for the Mexican nation and the intertwining of its identity with La Guadalupe and instead finds some intellectual and cultural solace in the girlie poster called "Our Lady" by A. Lopez. By the way, michael, her cunning linguist, do you mean cultural "pedestal" instead of cultural pillar?
Subject: [AztlanNet: ARTS|LETTERS] Re: July
4th y Guadalupe
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:25:15 -0000
To: AztlanNet@yahoogroups.com--- In AztlanNet@y...,
Pedro Romero <romesedeno@y...> wrote:
> do so many Mejicanos. Mr. Medina used to go back to Con equis, por favor...
You are not a gachupin, are you?
> Mexicans I encounter, about the useless journey in Santa Fe called "our Lady" by Alma Lopez, an Ugly American girlie poster that
Oh, give it up. You are no different than Ayatollah
Kohmeini when he issued the fatwah against Salman Rushdie... pseudo-progressive
"Chicanos" like Michael Sedano continue to defend as truth, oblivious
to what the Truth? Sedano does not defend it as "truth" but as an
artistic interpretation. Besides, you yourself have admitted that you don't
suscribe to the "proper" interpretation of Do~na Lupe by the Holy
Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church. You are not even Catholic. traditional
Guadalupe means to millions of the Mexican
And many of them would not agree with you that
she is Tonantzin or your other interpretations. So stop acting as their mouthpiece.
culture. As Guadalupe-Tonantzin, according to the Mexica, it is to Her that
the souls of men return.
The Mexica tradition does not say so. It is to Mictlan that they go... You and Romano should get another dead horse to beat... You are doingnobody a service by continuing your rants...
Subject: Our Lady
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:29:23 -0600
From: "CLIF JOHNSON" <email@example.com>
Organization: Prodigy Internet
I'm interested in getting a print of Our Lady.
The pride and courage shown is what I have come to love about the south valley
women. My wife is from Barelas, and I love her for her spirit and pride.
Please let me know if prints are available.
Follow your heart, and thanks for your courage.
Thanks, Clif, firstname.lastname@example.org